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CEO to CEO: AudienceView's Eric White Talks to Craig Hassall of Cleveland's Playhouse Square

Hassall came to Ohio after long tenures at the Royal Albert Hall and Sydney Opera House.

Eric White

Eric White

David Gordon

David Gordon

| Cleveland |

December 5, 2024

Cleveland’s Playhouse Square is one of the world’s premiere arts districts, with 11 venues, eight resident companies, and the largest touring Broadway season ticket base in North America. Not to mention street-level dining, office space, a 34-story apartment tower, and the Crowne Plaza Hotel, all of which turned this into not just a theater district, but a hub where many people didn’t expect to find one.

Chief among the surprised was Craig Hassall, who joined the venerable Playhouse Square as CEO in 2023 after leading globally renowned venues like London’s Royal Albert Hall. Captivated by the mix of historic venues and modern innovation, Hassall brings his unique perspective shaping entertainment experience not just to the organization, but to the broader arts community.

Recently, Hassall sat down with Eric White, CEO of TheaterMania’s parent company AudienceView, for a discussion about the history of Playhouse Square, Hassall’s commitment to broadening arts accessibility, and the operational strategies that can make venues like Playhouse Square not just inviting to the public, but integral to the communities they serve.

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AudienceView’s Eric White and Playhouse Square’s Craig Hassall
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This conversation has been condensed and edited for clarity.

For those who aren’t familiar with Playhouse Square, can you tell us what it’s all about and why you chose to take over after being at some of the largest venues in Europe like the Royal Albert Hall
Playhouse Square is a collection of theaters in a concentrated downtown area of Cleveland, but it’s part of a larger real estate portfolio which enables the entity to effectively control its operations, personality, and destiny. That’s my elevator pitch. 

What compelled me [to take over] was actually coming here. The theaters are spectacularly opulent and well-maintained, and there’s an audience for them. That was the first thing. The second was the attitude of the Board of Trustees. There’s this attitude of “We’re Cleveland, Ohio, and we’ll get stuff done,” and they absolutely have. I wasn’t helicoptered in to rescue this organization, which I have done before. It was in fine shape when I got here. That was quite inspiring.   

Part of it was also just the timing, coming out of Covid. I think we all thought, “What else is out there?” Your mind is very open to opportunities. So, I just thought, “What the hell? I’ve got nothing to lose.” And it’s the best thing I’ve ever done. 

What’s important to you in terms of building on the base of success that Playhouse Square has?
All my life, I’ve been peddling this barrow of trying to open [the arts] to new audiences, younger people, more diverse audiences, and so on. That’s something Playhouse Square does well and could do better. I bet that everyone who reads this who runs a venue has the same aspiration. You want to break the barriers to entry to get people from the outside coming in. 

At the Royal Albert Hall, my aim was to make the audience sitting in the seats reflect the people of London. It’s the same with Playhouse Square. I would love the people sitting in the seats to reflect the people of Cleveland.   

The first step is programming, and that’s easy to say, but hard to do. We will always make sure there’s a variety of things. If you say you want to program for a more diverse or younger audience, then the Broadway that we have is already there. We’re the biggest Broadway market outside of New York City. Shucked is a really good show. It’s very accessible. & Juliet is all pop songs and an approachable story. We did Six last year, which is a fabulous show that was good for different ethnicities and a gay audience. 

So, programming is key, but programming [alone] isn’t the answer, if that makes sense. You’ve got to have intentionality to give people permission to come, and I don’t have the answer to that. I know the problem, but I haven’t gotten the solution. It’s the same problem I had at the Royal Opera Hall and when I was at Opera Australia at the Sydney Opera House. We have these incredible edifices that are so beautiful and imposing and exclusive and terribly intimidating. We have to find a solution. 

The answer, by the way, is not pricing. A young person will pay $300 for a Taylor Swift ticket, but they won’t come to a show on Broadway, so what are we missing? That’s the challenge. 

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The main stretch of theaters along Euclid Avenue at Playhouse Square.
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What kind of outreach do you have to find that new audience? I know you have the Dazzle program with high schools.
This is a very American thing — you do the best high school musicals in the world. I had never seen a high school musical in an American school before I came here, and I went and saw three or four around Cleveland and the production quality, the performance quality, the musical quality is incredibly high. The Dazzle program is like the Tony Awards for high school at Playhouse Square. These young people come in and treat it like prom night. They dress up, it’s in a glamorous building, they’re all screaming for each other. And the nice thing is that there’s a real pipeline to Broadway. The Best Actor and Best Actress go to New York to be part of the Jimmy Awards, and that’s a great thing. 

Is the goal to just serve Cleveland, or Cleveland and places like Toledo or Pittsburgh or even New York?
My longer-term ambition is to make Playhouse Square, and thereby Cleveland, a destination on its own. It’s a neighborhood rather than a place. You might have a coffee or a drink or go hear some jazz or hang out on the plaza. You could see a comedian in the KeyBank State Theatre, you could see the Neil Diamond Musical and Into the Woods. There are five or six offerings in our complex. The way I describe it is like moving from a timed-ticket mentality to a grazing mentality, and then you’ve spent two-and-a-half hours wandering around when you hadn’t really planned to do anything. What I’d love, if I’ve done the job well, is for you to think of Cleveland for a mini weekend. You think about that for Nashville and New Orleans, but I don’t think Cleveland’s in that choice set yet. 

What would you say to people from outside of Cleveland — or even inside of Cleveland — to get them to come visit?
You can’t do it in one night. Give it a weekend, because there’s so much on offer. And don’t just arrive on spec; plan your visit. Book a show and plan your visit around it. What I’ve loved about being a newcomer to Cleveland is that we’re not the only game in town. We have the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame down the road. The art museum is one of the best in the world, and it’s free, and the collection is stupendously good. Cleveland Orchestra is one of the top five orchestras on the planet. Having no clue what was here, I was very impressed by the cultural weight of Cleveland. It’s pretty amazing. 

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A birds-eye view of the Playhouse Square campus. A newly acquired property north of Chester Avenue is highlighted in blue. A parking garage and skybridge are highlighted in red.
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